Idea: Budgeting Feature With Minimal Business Case, But TAM Opportunity

There are many people who, early into their personal finance journey, have looked for better ways to budget their monthly incomes and expenses. If you’re like me, you’ve looked around at the available tools, maybe tried some out, but they never really hit the sweet spot of what you need. They’re too basic or too expensive. There used to be a great option when Intuit’s Mint budgeting tool was around - so many great features, so much integration, very user friendly, and lots of insights and recommendations on optimizing your budget from it. Plus, it was free! I used it all the time as my primary budgeting tool.

Until Intuit shut it down.

You can tell it was a great tool by the many Reddit questions similar to “Now that Mint is gone, what are other people using?”

Since it shut down, I looked again for other tools, but none compare to what Mint was, so I went back to setting up my own budgeting tool in Google Sheets. Sad.

But here’s the thing: a lot of people early on in their journey to improve personal finances aren’t initially thinking “what new credit card should I get”. A lot of them are at the starting point: setting up a budget. If Neo could offer a good budgeting tool to attract new users early on in their personal finance journey, those users could be very easy upsells to get a new credit card. ESPECIALLY with the credit builder option available to Neo users! These are also the type of people who can have a larger long-term user impact. They may not spend much when they first become a user, but by getting users who are trying to improve, there is a higher chance of them becoming bigger spenders as their personal finances improve.

If Intuit had kept Mint, I probably would have opened other accounts and bought other Intuit products - but now that they shut it down, I avoid Intuit like the plague. I, as a user, was not worth it to Intuit in the short-term even though their budgeting app probably would have made me a higher value user in the long term.

A Neo budgeting app has very little business case in the short term, but it would be a great tool for current users, and could allow more inroads to the TAM, including higher-value long-term TAM.

For features, Mint would be a great foundation to look at. They had integrations with banks/credit cards/investment accounts to have automated spending, saving, and investing updates so that users didn’t have to manually input all the data themselves. If they bought something on their debit card or credit card, it would automatically show up in the budgeting app. If they deposited money into an investment account, it would automatically show up in the budgeting app. They also had a feature where users could create tags for different spending so as you continued to use the app, it would be more accurate in lablelling something as an expense (and what type, like restaurant or grocery") or saving, or investment. If an automate dinput was wrong, the user could go into it and flag, for example, that a purchase at Walmart was not “groceries” but home entertainment. The app would then ask “should Walmart always be considered ‘home entertainment’?”, and the user could update the automated categorization. It was fantastic.

Would anyone else be interested in an intuitive, integratable, insightful budgeting app offered by Neo?

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Also forgot to add this piece, but the timing right now would be unfortunately great. Things are tighter than they have been in the past for a lot of people. A lot of Canadians are noticing and starting to get more serious about their finances. This would be the perfect time to help take the pressure off of so many Canadians feeling the financial squeeze by creating a great tool that does a lot of the work for them.

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I have been one of the people who was gutted when Mint was rolled back and think that this would be something incredible. Even paid for budgeting apps right now are pretty subpar. I have a lot of interest in Rocket Money and what they offer (some cool features like subscription tracker to ensure you do not double pay or continue paying for service you are not using).

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First of all…Great write up! :clap:t4::clap:t4:

Secondly…I’m currently in the “Excel spreadsheet” DOLP budgeting world :laughing:

Finally, I would :100: love if Neo had a built in budget feature!!

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I think Neo’s insights feature is pretty neat, but it’s not exactly a budgeting tool.

I used Mint before, although not consistently. I found its method of auto downloading all records from various banks a but unnerving… it would use your online banking credentials and scrape the site. I only wish there was a more secure way to do that (akin to how Interac sign ins or ID verifications with the federal government web sites work), but given how the finance sector is regulated, I don’t think that is a viable option, unfortunately… ironically, doing it using web scraping seems like the only way to go.

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I should clarify: not necessarily the only way to go, but certainly the path of least resistance.

I think Mint had the option to make any manual inputs you wanted, so for any bank connection you didn’t want to allow, you could still use their app.

Could also add a CSV upload feature, especially with AI capabilities today. That way, if you didn’t want to allow certain bank connections for security purposes, you could still download a CSV of a monthly statement, and upload that to the budgeting tool. Allows manual bulk upload, without the tediousness of having to input income/expenses line by line.

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I also tried Mint, although it wasn’t perfect so I had to go back to my spreadsheet. I’ve heard YNAB is good, and Monarch Money. Curious to see what Neo is working on at the Insider event on Friday, maybe budgeting is on the roadmap already.

Any YNAB or Monarch users here?

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I’m always looking for a better budgeting solution and am currently using Excel spreadsheet. I’m grateful for Neo Insights for categorizing & seeing where money flows easily as it beats going through statements!

Hello! Thanks for the write up. Although there are many apps out there and I’ve tried a few what I found works best for me is recording my spending / income on my notes app on my iPhone. Then once a week I enter it into my Google sheet. I purchased ($9) an excellent Google sheet from Chelsea Pursuit on her Stan store on Instagram. My current system works so good for me. My partner likes spending tracker app. Very simple and free. I think the key is being aware and mindful of your money movement. Any system that helps with that is great. Neo’s app is so user friendly I’m sure a budgeting tool they would make would be excellent.

Jolene

Hi Graeden,

One of my users told me about this forum and I’m happy to share something here. I’ve been using multiple banks with Neo included and I found Monarch and other apps unreliable: importing wrong signs, currency or not working for my budget with their rigid categories, which is why I ended up building my own tool: Where Is My Dough.

I made sure to build in support for Neo integration via CSV imports for now while it’s not supported through Plaid or MX. It makes it easy to import your transactions in and categorize them with AI without having to manually input anything.

I’d love to hear your feedback. Here’s a link for 30 days trial: WIMD - Where is my dough? if you want to give it a try!

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