We Need Your Feedback: Direct Deposits & Pre-Authorized Debits

Hello Neo Community,

As part of our ongoing efforts to enhance your banking experience, we’re looking to gather your insights and feedback. We’re on a mission to enhance the way you manage your Direct Deposits (DD) and Pre-Authorized Debits (PAD). Your experiences and suggestions are vital in shaping the future of these services at Neo Financial.

Here are some specific questions we’d love for you to answer:

  1. Setup and Updates:
  • How was your experience setting up or updating your DD/PAD information in the past?
  • What challenges did you face, and what could Neo do to make this process simpler and less time consuming?
  1. Usage and Preferences:
  • Where do you currently manage your DD/PADs, and why did you choose that account?
  • Have you stuck with an old account due to familiarity, or have you switched for better features or incentives?
  1. Switching to Neo:
  • We understand switching DD/PADs to a new account can be a hassle. What improvements or incentives would make you consider moving your DD/PADs to Neo?
  • What features do you look for in a financial institution that would compel you to make such a switch?

Feel free to start your own discussion threads under this topic or contribute to existing ones. Your feedback is crucial for us to ensure that our services meet your needs and expectations.

Looking forward to your contributions!

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Welcome to Neo Financial Community Forum — thanks for joining. Would love to hear from you all @oscholfield @amir @SVladen @ma975240 @Smandy @Karabelle @derekjw @sandeshacharya

Welcome to Neo Financial Community Forum — thanks for joining. WOuld love to hear from you all @KeithF82 @Mr.Charles @tiffanydeejay @PeteMunro @Mkingston

One challenge is that not all payees are available through Neo. For example when trying to set up pre authorized debits for business development canada, they do not appear on the list of payees, so I was forced to use another account from my previous bank.

Hey @TallPaul This feedback has been given to the product team and is being looked into. This is definitely a big obstacle and my hope is that we can get a fix for this ASAP. Thank you for bringing this up!

@TallPaul Thanks for the feedback! When you tried to set up payments to Business Development Canada, were you trying to do it using the “pay a bill” feature in the Neo app? Some payees aren’t available (we’re working on it!) but in the meantime you can set up automated payments from your Neo account using other payment methods.

Some companies let you set up pre-authorized debit (PAD) agreements where you can share your bank account number with them, and they’ll automatically pull funds from your account. Have you tried this option before? Let me know if you’re interested in learning more about this option for your BDC payments or other bills :slight_smile:

I’m aware of how to set up PAD agreements with vendors, but this requires extra steps and work on their behalf, and not many companies seem to do this. I recall a few months ago I tried to “pay a bill” and the payee was not found, but unfortunately I forgot which company it was. It may have been ICBC.

I’m not sure why they are not found, as I’ve never had this issue with coast capital, nor BMO in the past.

Also, and I know this is probably not the right place to ask, but I would love to be able to get a debit card from NEO. Not a prepaid MC, I mean an actual debit card. Many retailers charge a fee for using any credit card, prepaid or otherwise, while not charging extra for using a debit card.

The experience of setting up and updating direct debit and pre-authorized debit is always a hassle. Normally users have to get or find a form, fill it out, do the print/sign/scan or digital signatures with questionable levels of security, and worry a lot.

The current process is flawed on many levels beyond just being time-consuming:

• It puts the onus of setting up payments on the user;
• It requires retrieving information that is impossible to remember (i.e. account number, transit and institution number);
• Having this information in the form of numbers that often have to be manually entered means the user error rate is high. Even if the information is printed, someone else has to enter the information from the PAD form into their system on the other hand, and mistakes can be made;
• Exposing account numbers is a terrible practice that enables fraud. Anyone can take a picture of the PAD form with their cell phone and sell it or use it maliciously if they wanted to. There seems to be no way to enable direct debit without telling the other party exact account information.
• There is no way to easily revoke the ability of merchants to withdraw from your account;

Here’s an example what a simple could look like:

  1. One tap to generate a link to enable
  2. One tap to choose who to send it to
  3. One tap to send it

No forms, account numbers or pigeon mail.

Here is another example of what a simple process look like:

Merchant has a QR code that users can scan with their phone camera. This could be a regular camera that opens Neo app when it recognizes a link, authenticates user with Face ID and prompts to confirm the amount set by the merchant to authorize pre-authorized debit, or prompts to enter that amount in use cases where it is not fixed.

It depends, but many institutions offer incentives where setting up DD/PADs is a requirement to get a sign up bonus. Other than rewards, generally there is little difference in where you set up DD/PADs. If app convenience is more important, I would go with Neo or Wealthsimple. If having 24/7 support available is more important, I would go with whoever offers that even if they have user-hostile apps.

Depends on the DD/PAD. Mostly stuck even when incentives are available because switching is an extreme hassle in most cases.

A concierge service that would help unsubscribe DD/PADs so I don’t have to take a week off to wait on the phone and go to Canada post to buy stamps to send pigeon mail.

Ability to switch in a few taps without having to call, go to offices, fill out forms, and send pigeon mail.

@Paul Thanks for taking the time to write such a detailed response! There’s a lot of great ideas here. If you’re open to it, I’d love to set up a call to chat more. I’ll send you a message with my information if you’re interested.

I completely agree that the current process for updating direct deposits and PADs is archaic, and it seems like this issue is widespread across Canada. A lot of banks seem to try and make up for it with bonuses and other incentives, but not much is being done to fix the actual pain points. We’re keen on trying to change that.

I’ll start with responding to some specific things that you shared that I found interesting:

Do you think Neo makes it easy enough to find your account numbers on our apps and website? Right now this information is kind of tucked away in your account details, so I wonder if people struggle to find this info when they need it.

I feel the same way. The first time I set up a PAD was for my rental insurance, and they wanted me to send my account number via email. I thought it was a scam, until I realized that’s just how it’s done. From what I’ve seen, this type of fraud actually happens way less than I expected, but it’s still a real risk, and it’s something I worry about.

Thankfully, there’s a decent dispute process for PADs if someone gets ahold of your account number to get your money back, but it really shouldn’t come to that. We’re looking into building new alerts to tell you when you get a PAD from a new company, and making the dispute flow easier if you see something suspicious, so that Neo can reject the PADs and get your money back.

I like this idea! Since most companies let you email them PAD instructions and banking information, we can look into streamlining this flow. Maybe something like this:

  • You go into the Neo app, and select to set up or update a PAD
  • Neo generates a pre-filled email template with all the details needed, so all you have to do is enter the company’s email address and hit send
  • Instead of including your account info directly in the email, we could provide a secure link (maybe one that expires after a set time to keep it more secure)
  • If you don’t want to use the pre-populated template, we could let you copy just the secure link to your clipboard too

It’s still not fully automated, but it would make the process faster and more secure, and is hopefully a step in the right direction. Let me know what you think about this idea.

This is something we’re actively exploring! We’ve been considering a “white glove” service that could help you manage your DDs and PADs. Initially, we were focused on helping customers set them up, but expanding it to help with unsubscribing is something we can look into too.

The idea is that you’d tell Neo what needs to be set up or changed, and authorize us to contact those companies on your behalf. Based on how things work in Canada, this likely involves Neo sending a lot of emails and snail mail behind the scenes, but at least it shifts the burden to us, and makes things less of a hassle for customers like yourself.

We’re still looking into whether we’re allowed to send instructions on behalf of customers, or if all companies would accept instructions from a 3rd party, but it’s definitely a service we’d consider offering to make things easier for customers.

Let me know if you have any ideas on how we could make this service great for you. I’d love to hear what features or options you’d want to see from something like this.

Thanks again!

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You are most welcome, @zaria.godenir!

I think it would depend on the user. If measured in taps and seconds, the flow is not cumbersome – right now it takes five clicks in the app from the main screen once you log in. I know where to look for it and for me it was not hard to find. Once I found out where to go, I was able to get there in 7 seconds. For me it’s quite easy. For someone like my mom it would be impossible.

In general, I think that Neo makes it easy to get somewhere, but the location of elements on pages is not intuitive and there is a lot of room for optimization. For example, the largest element on the first page is the Neo Mortgage offer, which I am not interested in. I can’t close the offer or say that it is not relevant. The default first landing page is the most valuable real estate that I would rather see used for the things I need. I can’t choose which screen loads by default (e.g. accounts, insights, rewards, payments), so I always have to navigate away from the first screen. What I would like to see on the default screen is a search bar that I can use to find everything else in the app. I would add it above the “Welcome, user” line so that it’s hidden but can be revealed by swiping down, like in default iOS apps (open “settings” on the iPhone for example and swipe down for search). Neo allows to swipe down and the screen moves down before coming back up, but nothing is revealed. No menu in any of the screens currently does anything when swiped down, so it’s not clear what is the point of allowing users to swipe down.

Overall, a UX audit with eye tracking with unprepared users having to do different tasks would reveal gaps and help optimize the location of all elements on each screen.

This is good. What would also be helpful to have is a menu with a full list of all companies that you have PADs with regardless of how frequently they withdraw the funds. When tapping on each account, there can be a button to revoke access to the account and a warning if revocation can result in NSF fees.

This would be an improvement over sending account numbers over the email, but I would prefer a truly secure system where others can withdraw funds with my consent without knowing the account/transit/institution number. They need to know that I authorized them to do it for a particular amount. They don’t need to know my account number, or who I bank with.

Hello,

I am going to answer these in a different order than presented, I hope it makes sense.

2). I currently use EQ Bank as my DD and PAD hub. I use it becuase I think they have a decent interest rate, unlimited transactions, and it connects well with all of my other four bank accounts. I use EQ automations to deposit funds into some accounts on a schedule, while also setting up PADs through my savings and investing accounts to take money out of my EQ hub account. For example, I have automated deposits and recurring investments set up through Wealthsimple to take money out of EQ on a bi-weekly basis.

1). I wanted to use Neo Everyday account as my hub account, but couldnt get my Neo account to connect to my WS account. In other words, i couldnt set up PADs from Wealthsimple into Neo becuase wealthsimple does not seem to be on the list of banks to connect accounts with (at least this was the case when i tried to have Neo be my hub account a year or so ago). This issue existed back when I had my paycheque DD into my wealthsimple account.

3). Now that I have a system in place that works through EQ, I honestly probably wouldnt switch my hub account to my Neo Everyday account even if the accounts had the same capabilities, my only determing factor at that point would be interest rates.

I like Neo’s HISA interest rates and have all ten accounts with automatic deposits, I just wouldnt use the Neo Everyday account as my hub account the way it is structured now in terms of low interest rates.

Interest rates are important for me because I like to age my money. I try to always have one full paycheque in my hub account at all times. Being one paycheque ahead helps me feel confident in my automated saving, spending, and investing systems.

Let me know if I can clarify anything.

Have a good day!

Brad

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  1. Setup and Updates:
  • How was your experience setting up or updating your DD/PAD information in the past? Setting up direct deposit is generally pretty easy. My current account has the ability to print an online “void cheque” which gives me all the info I need.
  • What challenges did you face, and what could Neo do to make this process simpler and less time consuming? Just have banking info including transit numbers etc all easy to find- one click.
  1. Usage and Preferences:
  • Where do you currently manage your DD/PADs, and why did you choose that account? Coast Capital as that’s where I have my main bank account. I used to work there so was very familiar with their products.
  • Have you stuck with an old account due to familiarity, or have you switched for better features or incentives? I’ve stayed there because of familiarity.
  1. Switching to Neo:
  • We understand switching DD/PADs to a new account can be a hassle. What improvements or incentives would make you consider moving your DD/PADs to Neo? A financial incentive or bonus to switch.
  • What features do you look for in a financial institution that would compel you to make such a switch? Higher interest. Free banking. Free e-transfers.
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